{"id":146,"date":"2020-02-01T05:59:19","date_gmt":"2020-02-01T05:59:19","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.oubliette.org\/blog\/?p=146"},"modified":"2020-09-19T07:29:47","modified_gmt":"2020-09-19T07:29:47","slug":"not-with-a-bang","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.oubliette.org\/blog\/index.php\/2020\/02\/01\/not-with-a-bang\/","title":{"rendered":"Not with a bang&#8230;"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<p class=\"has-drop-cap\">As of a handful of hours ago the United Kingdom is officially out of the European Union.  <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>I don&#8217;t think anyone really knows what that means.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>One thing it means is that you shouldn&#8217;t ask a large group of people a question unless you already know the answer.  (cough: Mr. Cameron, please take note.)<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Anyway&#8230; I&#8217;m not normally a &#8220;chat with the person next to you&#8221; sort of person on a plane.  I&#8217;m more of the &#8220;we&#8217;re both stuck on this flying cigar, let&#8217;s ignore eachother and focus on getting to the other end&#8221; sort of person.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>This trip was different.  I ended up having a chat with the pensioners next to me.  We were flying from LHR to SFO (I had a meeting in the Bay Area before heading to Seattle).  From there they&#8217;d board a five week cruise to Sydney (as in Australia).  She was Irish and had worked for an airline.  He was British and had been a printer, working for others before ending up running his own business before he retired.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>They were, as they put it, &#8220;obviously&#8221; Brexit supporters.  <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>This put me in the position of being able to play the &#8220;I&#8217;m just a dumb American living in the UK, please explain this to me&#8221; card.   You gotta play the hand you&#8217;re dealt, so&#8230;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>I managed to ignore the occasional <a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Euromyth\">Euromyth<\/a> (it was the first time someone had asserted to my face that the EU required carrots to be straight &#8211; I litterally bit my tongue to avoid laughing out loud), and focused on trying to understand the core of their position.  I think it came down to four pillars.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<ol class=\"wp-block-list\"><li>The EU started as a free trade organization but was increasingly encroaching on national soverignty &#8211; imposing rules over member countries far beyond free trade.<\/li><li>The EU governing body was unelected and increasingly corrupt, so the UK was better out than in.<\/li><li>The UK was outside the EU before and it was fine, so it would be fine again.<\/li><li>Specifically, the &#8220;EU needs the UK as much as the UK needs the EU,&#8221; so the negative repercussions of leaving would be mild, if there were any at all.<\/li><\/ol>\n\n\n\n<p>We talked about Boris (he&#8217;ll be fine and was a far better choice than Corbyn who was &#8220;away with the faries&#8221;) and Trump (he&#8217;s a complete idiot and the comparison to Boris is purely superficial).  We talked about the Irish border (there won&#8217;t be one, but even if there is, a country has a right to control its borders).<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Through the conversation I said two things which &#8211; I like to think &#8211; gave them pause.  I argued that by their description Brexit wasn&#8217;t that different from one of the large economy states in the US choosing to break away from the union.  I came down on the remain side because, &#8220;teams are stronger than heroes&#8221; (thanks Zach) &#8211; we&#8217;re stronger together than we are apart.  <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Staying in the Union, or the EU &#8211; I argued, took sometimes uncomfortable compromise, but so did marrage. They had clearly been married for decades, and the glance they shared suggested I might have touched on something. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>The other moment they seemed affected was when I said I wondered what impact Brext would have on those in the UK just making ends meet.  To me, I said, it would be irritating if imported food stuffs and staples increased in price by 10-20%.  Since they were about to check into a floating hotel for over a month, I figured they&#8217;d be ok too.  But I wondered out loud if their (adult) children, or their grandchildren might be more affected.  They had been nodding along in agreement when I mused that they&#8217;d be fine.  Their nods slowed a bit at the mention of their kids and grandkids.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>I concluded that maybe their kids aren&#8217;t as financially solid as grandma and grandpa are.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Guess it&#8217;s too late to worry about that now.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Hope they kept some of their pension fund aside to help their kids.  &#8216;Cause they seemed the sort who&#8217;d look down on taking assistance from the state.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>As of a handful of hours ago the United Kingdom is officially out of the European Union. I don&#8217;t think anyone really knows what that means. One thing it means is that you shouldn&#8217;t ask a large group of people a question unless you already know the answer. (cough: Mr. Cameron, please take note.) Anyway&#8230; &hellip; <a href=\"https:\/\/www.oubliette.org\/blog\/index.php\/2020\/02\/01\/not-with-a-bang\/\" class=\"more-link\">Continue reading<span class=\"screen-reader-text\"> &#8220;Not with a bang&#8230;&#8221;<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":""},"categories":[2],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-146","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-london-calling"],"jetpack_featured_media_url":"","jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.oubliette.org\/blog\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/146","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.oubliette.org\/blog\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.oubliette.org\/blog\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.oubliette.org\/blog\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.oubliette.org\/blog\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=146"}],"version-history":[{"count":2,"href":"https:\/\/www.oubliette.org\/blog\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/146\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":456,"href":"https:\/\/www.oubliette.org\/blog\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/146\/revisions\/456"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.oubliette.org\/blog\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=146"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.oubliette.org\/blog\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=146"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.oubliette.org\/blog\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=146"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}